Dawn Kuczwara (@DigitalDawn) and I talked a bit about the difference between managers and leaders at Penguicon this weekend. Penguicon always pulls a different sort of talk out of us, and this is no exception. The informality of the panel-style discussion lent itself to several things…

The attendees of the panel helped pull us in a much different direction than we had expected to take, so we never really did hit all of the topics we had intended.  This resulted in, from my perspective, a much better and much more interesting panel.

The lack of formality resulted in a much more obscenity-laden talk that is usual for either of us. We get pretty obscene for a 10am panel. If you have an aversion to the word ‘fuck’, you are going to want to skip this one.

We answered a LOT of questions. I would love to do this exact same panel as a 2-hour long session. We really had to stop with a significant number of questions outstanding. Tons of people came up to us to ask followups afterward (which is always welcome), but I think most of those questions would have been well served by having taken place in the broader group.

All of that said, here is the audio. Enjoy. Or don’t. I’m not the boss of you.